Jenee: 0:06

Welcome to the Heartlight Sessions, a podcast about light working your way through dark times. I'm Jenee Halstead. I'm a singer-songwriter, holistic vocal coach, intuitive guide and plant medicine facilitator. I'm also a survivor of childhood abuse, autoimmune issues and my 30s. I'm also a survivor of childhood abuse, autoimmune issues and my 30s. I'm on a lifelong healing journey and, along the way, I want to share the ideas and teachings that rock my world. Every week on Heart Light Sessions, I call in artists, healers and thinkers to explore what's helped them live and thrive from a heart-centered place, because the heart, it's where the best things happen. If you've ever wondered how to unlock your biggest breakthroughs or how to come back from that stuff that tried to kill you, you know the stuff I'm talking about, the stuff that's supposed to make you stronger. Or if you've ever wondered how to just do you straight from the heart, you're in the right place. So join me, won't you? Let's turn on that heart light. Hello, hello, hello, hello. I have my business mentor here, looking so stunningly beautiful, as usual, thank you, thank you.

Natalie: 1:31

Thank you, Jenee, I did my hair for you.

Jenee: 1:33

I got a little dressed up. I might have dressed to impress a little bit. Oh my God, I washed my hair. You put lipstick on.

Natalie: 1:43

You put lipstick on.

Jenee: 1:44

You put lipstick on you put lipstick on a pig and you know that's kind of how I roll these days. I got out of my sweats awesome.

Natalie: 1:54

Well, thank you so much for having me here. I'm yeah, I mean we met on the world wide web on the internet so crazy how long?

Jenee: 2:05

ago was that I feel like we were swimming in each other's orbits for like was it a year a year, but I found you originally because I was so like.

Natalie: 2:17

I remember I was looking up like sound healing, with just like spiritual sound healing but like voice lessons, and I remember I stumbled upon one of your documents and I was like, oh my God, I love this girl, like I loved your energy, and I mean, as we've gotten to kind of know each other, there's been a lot of parallels in our life and our work and crazy parallels. Working together has been just so, so beautiful.

Jenee: 2:49

So I'm just so magical.

Natalie: 2:51

I feel like I'm just so grateful that I A I found you B just the relationship that we're building and what we will be doing in the future together.

Jenee: 3:03

Yes, so Natalie is an energy alchemy and sacred business mentor. Yeah, that has decades of experience in the holistic wellness field. Is the business coach, business mentor that feels to you like kind of a natural, easy progression, I think.

Natalie: 3:33

Well, I initially really resisted it. I was like, oh my God, because I have a business background I used to work in corporate and sales and marketing for the big beauty giant L'Oreal and I left that world really traumatized, really burnt out, really overwhelmed, and I was always just really obsessed with holistic health and well-being, which which so on that journey into becoming, uh, which was like a literally 13 year journey of doing a million things holistic, which will kind of unravel when, like business mentoring, came back into my vantage point, I was like, oh no, no, no, I don't, I don't work with women like you, who are, like myself, the deep depth seeking women who have walked many, many, many paths of pain and through the fire, and I mean that's, that's why we know each other.

Jenee: 5:07

Exactly. Oh my gosh, it's yeah the. I just have to laugh at like the parallels, even like the. Um, okay, so I'm Sag Sag moon and Sag rising.

Natalie: 5:19

Yeah, and I'm a Libra moon sage rising yeah, and I'm a libra moon sage rising sage sun. So we're like literally like like this click, we like click in um, and we both have these very like spunky, fun, fiery personalities, but we're both deeply sensitive and just fucking intense, intense, all in like the most beautiful ways, right.

Jenee: 5:51

Mm-hmm.

Natalie: 5:52

And yeah, and through our journey of getting to know each other, I just your work and I'm going to highlight your work is just so profound and so incredible. It's helped me transition even better into what I meant to do right and I think that we both do that in different trajectories and people's paths and journeys, but yeah, I've adored getting to know you and I'm excited to continue that journey of friendship and expansion with you.

Jenee: 6:40

roadblocks for women that they face right now, especially if they're trying to get out of working, maybe corporate, and they really feel like they have this deep call and calling for, like I think a lot of people are getting called forth now as the as the planetary energies change and you know, I mean there's so many things but I can, can I can look back on my own journey and what I've had to really shift and change and it's it's really to get out of the that like survival, scarcity and um, scare, yeah, survival and scarcity.

Natalie: 7:23

We and I I can. I remember coming out of corporate um just being so burnt out because I was traveling, and it's just an intense bro. It's like a very patriarchal system where you know your hormones. There's no place for like, yeah, um, there's no place for the female like no my hormones were just really screwed up. Yeah, yeah yeah it's.

Jenee: 7:58

You know it's very interesting to me, like, as I do this, deconditioning myself and you know I'm getting into my nervous system and learning about my feminine and kind of learning how to love myself, like learning how to, you know, get that system like out of my body and just realizing like how I and I think a lot of women realize how they don't know anything about their own feminine systems their own their own natural cycles.

Jenee: 8:36

They're, you know, everything is controlled and and boxed up and, you know, pushed down, and it's just. We can't live that way. We're seeing the same thing happen with the planet, you know, yeah.

Natalie: 8:51

And I think that there's.

Natalie: 8:52

There's such an internal pull and an internal calling within.

Natalie: 8:57

It's the, that divine I always call it like the just, that heart centeredness, that divine clicking in, like we're being so called back into our internal compass to navigate this reality from such a different paradigm, such and and I think that's, I think that is the biggest job when I say, like, getting out of survival and getting out of scarcity. But it's more than that. It's not that I just don't want to run a business, I just don't want to do this because of this, because that's the way it's been done, but like, how do you get to the real depth of who you are, which requires, like rooting down, really rooting down, and finding that space within you? How do I operate and run my business and market myself from my own core vibration? And that is going to be so different than anybody, right, and we all have different rhythms and especially women being squeezed into those. I mean, I squeezed myself into so many boxes and I'll I'll even take it from like moving from corporate and then starting my own holistic nutrition business.

Jenee: 10:19

That was the first thing that I did.

Natalie: 10:20

I was a personal trainer in holistic nutrition and my my focus was women with digestions and hormonal issues. And even moving from corporate, I came from this space of like. I've got to hustle and force this business. So you take that, that template, and you push it into this business. But what you soon come to realize that even in some of the coaching spaces it's the same thing.

Jenee: 10:54

It's the same template.

Natalie: 10:56

It's the same template of here's my system of success. Use it and you're going to have success. And that I mean I've invested in a million business coaching things and I've like I'm talking like tens of thousands of dollars went into major debt and failed fucking miserably at them because I was doing their thing Right.

Jenee: 11:23

Mm-hmm, yep, yeah, and what it takes to really get to know yourself, you know, and to understand your own signature.

Jenee: 11:36

And I think, the big thing for me and where I really want to be focusing my energy for women and you really helped me with this and it was right in front of me and I just didn't see it was really helping with the witch wound because I think, you know, or the priestess wound, or whatever you want to call it, you know because I think, on top of you know, all the demands of the world and yeah, and all the demands on women.

Jenee: 12:05

It's, it's not you know, it's, it's more intense now. It's not like things got better because women, you know, because of feminism, and then women were able to, you know, it's actually, I feel like it's added more and more, you know, onto a woman's plate. It's like, okay, yeah, you're going to work and you're going to raise your child, as you know, full time, yes, you know, and where do you find the time? And then, on top of that, there's if you're, you know, if you've decided you're, you're gonna, you know, do something in the world that's forward-facing. A lot of women, especially healers, have that intense, deep wound wound, yeah, and that wound.

Natalie: 13:06

That's why I think any type of templated business programming that says do this, this was my success. It is completely missing the mark that if you're not working with somebody who has is trauma informed, who has an understanding that for you to actually truly become who you're meant to be, in that like full expression, I mean you're working with like lifetimes, yeah, lifetimes of trauma and staying small and hiding, and that shows up in all the many layers of your business, Like it shows up, how you show up online, how like putting together that um the group program, or what is your core offering as like, what is your medicine?

Natalie: 14:04

Like sharing your medicine used to get you burned at the stake. Of course you're going to hide Of course I hid for so many years.

Natalie: 14:17

Yeah, me too, so many years, and that is I mean. But here's the beautiful thing that I think is really we're in this pressure cooker right now was having this conversation about really leaning in the old way of whether it was healing, whether it was running your business. It's all multi-layered in this way that it's like I got to really I've got to fix this so I can perform and I can project this.

Natalie: 15:09

this certain image of who I think I want people to be, and that projection is is often felt incongruently by people now especially now, and that's why, they're that, that really rooting down and finding all those nitty gritty, icky parts of yourself, like the.

Natalie: 15:35

the witch wound is in there, like deep shadow work, Like if, if we can go in and love all these parts of ourselves and really just be with them, that comes out as part of the expression of your medicine. It's like the wholeness that we are starting to embody. I think we're just starting to see such a different leadership style from women now.

Jenee: 16:01

Yeah, and one of the things I've always said is that the body is the, it's the bridge, it's the gateway to heaven on earth, and so that's been the path for me, and I'm sure it's been the path for you and and the and the women that I want to learn from and the women that I trust are going into their bodies and they're moving from their bodies, because that is where the true intelligence comes from. But to do that, you know, to get embodied with all of the messages and with the witch wound and with the ancestral wounds, and there's a lot of shit in there.

Natalie: 16:45

There's a lot of stuff. There's so much stuff in our body that, like, you spend so much of your life neck up, neck up, neck up is like. It can feel like a treacherous path at first because it's like, oh, I've been so programmed to live outside of this body. But, like, when you get in and you start to settle because it takes a lot of nervous system work to it takes a lot of nervous system work, a lot of nervous system work to really get to the next layer and okay, I'm safe here. And then you're like, you're getting a deeper breath and you're going through all these layers of deep intensity and deep traumas, that, that gold that you get on the other side of that, it's alchemy when you get into the pain right and moving through and allow yourself to to truly feel it, to go to the depths. And I'm not talking about like, just like, feel your feelings, but be in those feelings for a while, because your body hasn't felt them for so long.

Jenee: 18:03

Yeah, like did you yeah go ahead.

Natalie: 18:06

No, I was going to ask you when you first started healing, I remember for two years, I was literally completely wiped out. For two years, two years of my life, I was completely exhausted because my body was finally allowing me to enter, enter, enter, and that can feel like you're going backwards, for sure?

Jenee: 18:31

Yeah, pardon me. I started my healing journey probably 20 years ago, but I was still very like in the spiritual. It was a lot of like spiritual realm stuff, and so I was in these upper chakras for a very long time.

Natalie: 18:49

Yeah.

Jenee: 18:50

We've talked a lot about that, you know, and it wasn't, I think, until I really started to do this work with other other women and I had my first iteration of my business and just really couldn't get it off the ground and I was like I don't believe what I'm teaching and I am afraid to go somewhere. You know, and and now that I facilitate psychedelics and Philip and I always talk about how you, when you sit in a container with with a facilitator, you can only go as deep as your facilitator is gone. You know, and that's exactly the same for someone who's, you know, helping you walk through a program, helping you launch your business. You know, it's like, yeah, it's that kind of multifaceted aspect of you.

Natalie: 19:54

Know someone who's kind of gone through the alchemical fire. Yeah, and it's funny because I've somebody asked me the other day, um, because, uh, because I'm single, and they're like, what, what are you looking for in a man? And I look for this in teachers and mentors. I'm like, please tell me that you've walked through some type of fire and you have come out on the other side, because I have been to the depths of hell myself. And if I can't share that depth with you and you doesn't mean that you have to have to have gone on the same path um, but if there's, if there is no understanding or relatability of where I've been, it's, it's kind of lost. Yeah, right, and that is um, it's deep work.

Jenee: 20:44

It is deep work and there's a deep sense of trust when you're with someone who's who's gone through that, you know. I think it creates like an unspoken language and I was wondering what one of your favorite shadow working exercises is or if you could run us through something.

Natalie: 21:06

Swamping for sure.

Natalie: 21:08

Swamping. So, um, and this isn't mine, I just I remember reading about it from Mama Gina and I didn't, I didn't take her course, but I, I just read it and I was like oh wow, and it kind of circulated through my intellect for for a little while. And then I remember um going through a really, really dark period and I, I was going through deep scarcity. Um, and I remember I was, I was part of what I do is I do a lot of mirror work too and I remember sitting in front of the mirror and I could feel something shadow coming in, like my deepest fears, like what, what is coming up, and one of my deepest fears was, you know, scarcity.

Natalie: 22:03

I'm not going to have enough money to do this. Whatever, whatever the story is, and I can, I can feel it and I'm in, I'm really in resistance to that. I can feel my body clamping Cause it's like you can't go there because you can feel scarcity. It's a it's start, you start to do this work.

Jenee: 22:19

It becomes.

Natalie: 22:21

It becomes this very visceral in my body, where I was like, oh fuck, no, I need to go here. I need to go and look right at the shadow, so swamping for me, um and I don't even know if this is how Mama Gina does, but this is what I came up with, what I've been doing, what I've been teaching clients. I allowed that energy and that shadow to fully embody me and I started swamping around as what I in my mind's eye or in my body, and the biggest fear is like you're going to be fucking homeless.

Natalie: 22:58

You're going to I don't know, have to prostitute yourself Like you die in the streets, like die on the streets and like you go to the place that you are absolutely buck, fucking wild, afraid of.

Jenee: 23:12

Sorry, I swear, no, I love, I love swearing on a little bit of a potty mouth thing, I have a bit of a potty mouth.

Natalie: 23:19

My favorite thing I have a bit of a potty mouth.

Natalie: 23:20

So, in the mirror, I really allowed myself, I allowed that really dark place of my shadow to really come and embody it and really let her play out through me. And then, right after that, I mean, if anybody saw me do this, they'd just be like this girl's like that shit crazy. And I'm like, yeah, so after, after allowing this swamping, or this, this deep dark shadow energy, this one of your deepest fears, to actually like flow through me, I was like, oh man, that that wasn't that bad.

Natalie: 24:02

And like the amount. So I want you to think of, like, how much your body holds, like it's like this bracing, you're resisting, resisting, resisting. And when you let that shadow come through your body and you embody it, like with love, with love it comes through and you're just like taken over and you act it out as the expression, as your body is art, and you're letting it move through you, and then the the spaciousness and expansion that you have thereafter is like it's dreamy. It's like all the shit on the other side of that fear of scarcity is like it's dreamy. It's like it is dream.

Natalie: 24:40

All the shit on the other side of that fear of scarcity is like, oh okay, I went there. Was it that bad? No, no, it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad, I'm sure, in real life. But like that resistance and that bracing and that's part of that survival that lives in our body. And when you get into it and you act it out and you let that um move through you, it's the spaciousness that I had for the entire six months after that from just letting that shadow move through me was like absolutely incredible yeah, it's so interesting and it's wild.

Jenee: 25:21

It's wild that we're so terrified, you know, we're like so terrified to feel those things and the ego is just like puts that, you know that clamp on it like no, and then when you go through it I had an experience experience with with bufo we went and sat with um, our teacher, down in mexico and, um, it was a crazy day. It was like I I started getting very nervous and I was like I'm not gonna go. And I remember the day before I had pulled from the shamanic deck, I had pulled the butterfly card.

Natalie: 25:57

You're like you know, it's like transformation yeah.

Jenee: 26:00

So then we get to the beach and like it's like a million butterflies, like just thousands of butterflies going at each way, and Alfonso was like, oh, this is a great day, this is very auspicious, like where we have the two winds of the seasons changing and the butterflies are, you know, here and as they're, they're moving through their migration, and so the days get going on. We're on the beach, it's getting hotter and hotter and everybody's going and I'm like getting more nervous. I'm like I'm I'm not gonna go.

Jenee: 26:32

Oh, my god, you know I'm gonna go shit my pants first your body's like bracing, empty bracing, yeah, yeah and it's like every time I I step up to the plate with that medicine, I'm terrified, and most people are, and that's very normal and healthy. But yeah, it was interesting because, um, what came through was like a holding, because what that medicine does is really it's first and foremost a body medicine and it, it, it rings a combo I know it was. It's bufo. Oh, like everybody thinks that bufo is like.

Jenee: 27:08

Yes, it does have god, I, I don't, yeah, I don't know enough about it, but yeah, but I mean the, the kind of um most people the idea of it is is of this, like crown chakra, and then you're out of your body, you know which that happens, but it's very much a body medicine, like I think, first and foremost, and it rings you out and so God comes in, or source comes into your body, and I felt it.

Jenee: 27:43

Source comes into your body and I felt it and it was like it was coming in and pushing out all of the terror that I've ever had of my whole life, of like being a woman giving birth, like all of these, these holdings that I had in my, in my body. It was just this like complete terror of like life. It was just being afraid of living and being afraid of life, and that's wild, yeah. And not having a child, because part of the reason why I didn't have the have a child was because of a long line of like abuse and and also I didn't think I would be a good parent and I was also like terrified of the whole process and so I'm like I've got my legs up and I'm just ripping, like screaming. It was the scream of like a century.

Jenee: 28:36

This was a scream of like lifetimes and at that same moment, like a guttural whale, realize that's a spiritual path to hold, like that to to contract or to um shut down or to be kind of taken by an addiction or something you know, like that is a really hard but deep spiritual path and that like changed my whole mind about suffering and addiction and I just have so much more compassion for everyone that I see, yeah, cause we're holding that in our bodies.

Natalie: 29:29

Yeah, and sometimes our bodies just won't allow us to go into it. So, yeah, for whatever reason, the coping mechanism is to survive and move on and drink, yeah, or do whatever. Do whatever. Wow, that's really profound. I've I have yet to do bufo and I have a very funny feeling.

Jenee: 29:54

My first bufo experience will be with you I know I keep trying to get you to go down.

Natalie: 30:00

It'll happen. It's going to happen. I'll be down soon. I'll be down soon.

Jenee: 30:03

Yep, talk a little bit about mirror work too. I'd love to. I'd love to learn a little bit about your process. Do you have like a? Do you have several things that you do?

Natalie: 30:16

So it's interesting, I, I integrate mirror work when I think, when people are, when women are really, um, it's through that, like getting into the body, when, when they're very in their head, I find mirror work really profound because when I first started when I'll give you an example of when I first started doing mirror work um, I'll give you an example of when I first started doing mirror work you can really pick up on the subtle nuances of what's actually happening if you just keep staring for long enough.

Natalie: 30:53

There is so much that gets revealed to you through the mirror, just looking into your eyes, and so mirror work for me. I use it as a way to connect with the body. It's like how do you relate to your body? Do you love your body? A lot of women don't have that connection to their body. So witnessing themselves in the mirror just caressing their shoulder or twirling their hair or just touching their face, just just being with themselves, I always feel like it's the masculine in you.

Natalie: 31:26

Witnessing the feminine expression in the mirror, it's like you're you're seeing all these really beautiful parts of yourself and sometimes ugly parts, right, but it's through the lens of compassion where you get to really um. You really get into many, many layers of the self. You can even start to see um. Your ancestors show up in the mirror. You start to see um past lives. It is like if you do it, if you practice it long enough, it like I've. I feel like I've had psychedelic trips and for sure where.

Natalie: 32:04

I mean I'm very visual in my intuition, like I'm very sensitive to energy, so I am very attuned to a lot of nuance. So when I'm doing mirror work it is, I think, taking people through it. It's very uncomfortable at first Because we often have so much criticism about ourselves, Such lifetimes and lifetimes of trauma, but then the world and how we're supposed to look and if you it's just a lot of our worth is really wrapped up in how we look.

Natalie: 32:44

And this, this is something that I I've had to really unpack. I mean, I heard it from from my mother a lot growing up, like, oh well, you're good looking and and I'm like, oh, does that, does that mean that I should get the job? Does that mean it's like it's such deep programming, right? So when you sit in front of the mirror, whether you have makeup on or not, you start to learn how to soften and have such deep compassion for all these different expressions of yourself. It's really wild. Have you done mirror?

Jenee: 33:20

work. Oh yeah, I've done a lot of mirror work on psychedelics.

Natalie: 33:25

Oh man, I have not done that. Like I feel like mirror work alone is like okay tell me about that.

Jenee: 33:32

Oh man, tripping balls on like ayahuasca or mushrooms and going and hanging out with yourself in front of the mirror can be like traumatizing wild.

Jenee: 33:43

I mean just wild, like, yeah, I. So I like to kind of look past myself like a little bit and I'll look like just right past my head or you know, yeah, into the mirror and, um, sometimes it can be like terrifying, terrifyingly overwhelming, yeah. So I just I make sure and breathe, really breathe into it and get curious about like who, who's there, what's this showing me? And I've seen versions of myself that are a lot of like Aboriginal or, you know, native, like old, old ancestry Guides. I've seen my yeah, guides. I've seen myself as an alien, like a Liran, like Starseed or Liren, you know they're the cat, cat beings or whatever, oh man, just like so many and and tribal markings. And you know, I've seen myself as an old woman and that's always like a trip, you know, it's like whoa, okay, yeah, you know. And to kind of sit with that and be like, okay, there she is, yeah, she's, she's dope, instead of being like, oh my God, there she is and like sagging jowls and holy shit, she looks creepy.

Jenee: 35:19

And just being like, being like I've I've kind of met. I've been doing a lot of work recently where I've been meeting my, my future, my future wise self, you know, yeah, and it's really, it's like you see the eyes and that's the same thing with mirror work, it's the eyes never change.

Natalie: 35:44

No, I know it's so. In in my mirror work I do a lot of like, like directly into the eyes, and then it's like everything softens. So it's that steady focus in the eyes that allows the, this transformation of the face too. So it's, it's probably the same thing. It's like focusing over here or focusing I I tend to focus on the, on my. My mentor in Chicago gave me that, that practice about 10 years ago and that was I was like, was like oh man, this is deep shit, like there's so much that you can see in the mirror. And it's not, it's like it. It's not like a 3d physical reflection.

Natalie: 36:31

This is like layers and layers of your multi-dimensional self being exposed and you got to be ready for that because it's like really deep and really beautiful, so that, yeah, that is that's one of the one of the. I feel like there's so many things like and it just it's, it's so unique because I feel like the women that are coming to me now are like you you've done a lot of that deep body work you've done, and now it's like how do I, how do I take all of this? Knowing, because here's also what I've noticed in the healing industry is like you can just keep healing maybe just stay healing and you can just get more information and you can just keep going, keep healing, and I call it the um, the wound.

Natalie: 37:23

You pick off the scab and you just keep picking at it. Right, I know you can do that and I used to do that. And then I'm like you know what I've got. I've got it. What am I going to do with this now? What am I going to do with this, all this information that I got? Um, so I tend to be getting a lot of women who have done that deep, heavy in their body, nervous system work. I mean, I used to teach this in my healing practice. But now I'm getting the women who are like I'm ready to fucking take action, I'm ready to move with all the baggage that I uncovered, all of the intensity, and this is like having so much compassion and love for all the parts of you, all the parts of you, and you're like we're going to bring all of you into the medicine now you and you're like we're going to bring all of you into the medicine now.

Jenee: 38:22

Yeah, I know, I think you've said I mean I think I've talked to you like several times about I need to do something else, or I need more, more training, and you're like you do not need more training? No, and that's it's uncovering what is there, and that's what you know I'm in the process of doing with you.

Natalie: 38:38

Yeah, and I think that I mean I did that. I went on like, oh, I don't have enough knowledge, and I always think that everything that you are, so and it's like you already know that, when you like, when I studied holistic nutrition, it was very easy for me because I'm like I know this from a past life.

Jenee: 39:03

When I studied energetics.

Natalie: 39:05

I was already doing it, but it's just giving me contextualization for the skills that I already had. With most healers we have like such an abundance of skill set already innately within us, and then we look out here to get the program to confirm something that we already have inside of us. When, like your work, janae, like when you are doing your sound healing with me, you don't learn that shit in a book.

Jenee: 39:44

You can't learn that?

Natalie: 39:45

stuff you can't learn. That that is God and the divine saying get out of the way I'm coming through. And it's your unique energy and skill set that can hold. You can be that conduit right. And when you have done the depth of work that you have done, you then open yourself up to being that conduit and the divine is like let me take over. And that's what makes your session so powerful, because you get out of the way Exactly. And that, I think, is that is such a like you do you so beautifully that no modality is going to ever like confirm what you do.

Jenee: 40:40

Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and that's the thing, like so many people and that's, you know that's fine, but you know it's like get the, you know somatic, experiencing, you know certificate, if, if you need the language, like you had said to me, you know. But like, really, it is so much about uncovering. You know it's not about adding it's, it's actually about uncovering and that's like for me, this last year, that's what it's been about. You know. It's like and those codes are living in your field, like you know those gifts, yeah, and your DNA and those gifts are coming, especially now. Now, as we're moving through, you know, this planetary ascension, and more, more of the light codes are streaming in. It's like people's gifts are just going to pop off.

Natalie: 41:29

They be popping. Yeah, they be popping. They be popping right now, you know, but it's really.

Jenee: 41:35

Yeah, it is it's a matter of like actually trusting yourself and not looking around and being like, oh my god, a lot of person in this person do that. It doesn't. I don't see myself, and that's the thing I was like. I don't see myself in any of these people and it's like no shit, sherlock, yeah and it is also know we're dissolving the illusion that we are separate from God. Exactly and from each other.

Natalie: 42:05

And from each other. But I think you hit the nail on head. I got to trust myself, but you also have to put faith and trust in something far bigger than you, which is always it's hard for people, something far bigger than you, which is it's hard always people, that that is, uh, that's a really big one. That's, I think, what I went through, and probably my deepest learning in the last four years was like oh, because your ego gets involved in healing your, your ego really wants to drive the ship, and that was me for so long. I'm like oh well, I'm this healer and this is my identity, and that was part of like I can't go into business coaching or business mentorship, like I'm a healer.

Jenee: 42:49

Yeah, even though you were being called forward in a different way.

Natalie: 42:54

Nah, you're going to go in this direction, right, and that's that you know. When we go into the depths of the body and we really start to anchor into ourselves, we understand that there is something far bigger that's holding us, that's guiding us, that is trying so desperately to come through us. And I mean you. I experience that, that divine nature, in your sessions and like if, and you can feel it when you go to somebody who has read a book and they're giving you the template versus somebody who's really fucking embodied in their work, who is walking that path.

Natalie: 43:40

So I think we're at a really cool time right now where you know, whether you call it Christ consciousness coming through each and every one of us, whether you want to call it. Just like this major ascension trip where there's massive amounts of light codes pouring in from these solar flares. We are ascending at such a fast speed that there's so much density getting kicked out of our energy field where it's like the divine's like no, no, no, I'm with you, I'm here to carry you too.

Jenee: 44:15

And it's the same thing like with Bufo no, I'm with you, I'm here to carry you too, and it's the same thing, like with Bufo, like it's the exact, like same metaphor. I mean, it's what's happening is so, just as Bufo pushes all that stuff out of your body and it's like this scream that's what's happening on the planet.

Natalie: 44:32

So everybody thinks that, like we're devolving you know we're getting worse and I'm like, no, this is, it's like I want you to think of, like how trauma goes into the body, trauma in, trauma out. Yeah, you got, you have to experience the like, the collective shadow and all the density on the planet. I'm like let it, let it come up like, let it rise and let it be seen and cleansed and purified and it, yeah, and the best thing we can do I think, as like all of this is, you know, happening, it's like, yes, help where you can if you feel like there's some sort of physical thing you can do.

Jenee: 45:13

You know um giving money or or donating food or whatever.

Jenee: 45:19

But I mean, I've had so many people laugh at me but like, honestly, the I think the best thing you can do is is hold and witness, and hold a loving space for what's coming up, and pray and you know, and and some of this stuff is just like you can't like what's happening in the middle east. It's you can't even wrap your head around how, how horrifying it is, you know, but it's like, well, what can I do from here? You know, what can I do in my community? What can I do? Just like when I see people in my freaking apartment complex?

Natalie: 45:55

you know, it's like I can hold that space, you know, in space go ahead I was gonna say, space holding is one of those things that is so underrated, so underrated and it doesn't doesn't require a crazy amount of skill set, like holding space and just letting someone be where they need to be, whether that's like somebody thrown a fricking anger, temper, tantrum or crying or whatever it is. Whatever it is, let them be in it.

Jenee: 46:31

Yeah, I think it's actually the hardest thing to do.

Natalie: 46:35

Super hard. Well, especially if it's family, especially if it's family or people that you know, I think it's, it's, I think that they should teach that in schools. Like, how do you hold space? How do you, how do you hold space for somebody's like big emotions, or just moving through something, or just without interjecting and informing, or you know?

Jenee: 47:02

Or offering a solution, or yeah, you know.

Natalie: 47:05

It's like finding this Nobody wants to hear a solution when they're in their shit. Right, yeah, that going back to like what can we do? Tend to your inner world. Yep, like I heard this quote the other day, I forget from who. I was listening to a podcast while I was cleaning and it's like how do you expect to have peace on earth and end wars out here when you are at war with yourself? Yourself when you are when you have no peace within yourself, how can you, how can you fix that outside of yourself?

Jenee: 47:43

Yeah, you can't. It starts with each of us first and that's the greatest work that you can do.

Natalie: 47:50

Yeah, you know, that's the greatest work that you can do work that you can do, because it it's a, it's an energetic rippling, because it it lands.

Jenee: 48:03

It just it goes so far when you are working on yourself yeah, as above, so below, as in, as out you know, amen, amen yeah I can't believe we're almost up to an hour. Oh, my goodness, we are. That was so good. Can you um give the, the listeners, a little bit of like a taste of of what you're offering now, maybe talk?

Natalie: 48:34

about? Yeah, so it's mixing business and energetics. So where do I want to start? If you want to start, I have a a free download that you could join. It's called the sacred business blueprint and it's just a really beautiful journey. You were talking earlier about, you know, communing with your higher self and seeing her, and it's a really beautiful transmission where you get to go on a journey it's a mini course and you meet your higher, wiser business self and you get to receive all these beautiful energetic codes and frequencies and then there's little practices to come out of that, to integrate and how you can start taking little actionable steps in your business. So that would I would start there. Um, I have a really exciting program coming up called the devotion code.

Natalie: 49:32

I just ran the beta program with um, about six of my long-standing lovely clients, and it's going to be launching mid-may and it is the, the real journey of learning to trust with the divine. It's been probably my deepest work in the last five years and it is really learning to open to the, the trust of the divine. How does the divine speak through you? How to it's? Basically, how do I really anchor into my intuition? And when we can lead from that inner compass, it's like, okay, now I'm in partnership with this, like like co-creating with something that's bigger than me, and it's, it's a okay, now I'm in partnership with this, like like co-creating with something that's bigger than me, and it's it's a really beautiful process. So that's going to be coming out in May and then I offer, you know, one-on-one work and some mentorship.

Natalie: 50:29

That is about igniting your magnetism so that you can stand in the truth and the real expression of who you are.

Jenee: 50:39

Yeah, it's been life-changing working with you. I've done many business courses and this has been by far the most profound work that I've had the opportunity to do with you.

Natalie: 50:54

So I highly recommend working with Natalie, and when we get your offers up and running, watch out, you got to get in with watch out world, jenna is coming, her, her, you're, you're so talented and so thank you.

Jenee: 51:12

Multi, passionate, multifaceted multi passionate about too many things.

Natalie: 51:20

But, but we're're, that's the thing. You are so expansive and so vast, we got to bring that out into the world because we can't dilute any parts of you. Right? You're so powerful in what you do and the world needs that you have that gift.

Jenee: 51:34

I've been so grateful that, just to be witnessed, and that gift that you have of being like nope and we're bringing this in too and this is a foundational piece, you know that I've like I'm going to compartmentalize that part of myself.

Natalie: 51:51

I'm like no, no, no, we're bringing all of you into your business You're you're too powerful to dilute and pick and choose. You're just like boom, all of you.

Jenee: 52:02

Oh, I have to have you back on. This was so fun.

Natalie: 52:04

Sure Anytime. I feel like we like just scratched the surface. I know we I mean we've had some pretty deep conversations that go in many, many different directions. I feel like I could talk to you forever, but thank you so much for having me on. I love you so much and it's just such an honor to walk through the fire with you.

Jenee: 52:25

Thank you so much and I'll put the blueprint up, um in my description. I'll have that share so people can download it and they can find information about your programs and your one to one Awesome Thank you. Thank you, have a great day. You, too, find information about your programs and your one-to-one Awesome, thank you.

Natalie: 52:40

Thank you. Have a great day you too.

Jenee: 52:48

The Heart Light Sessions podcast is executive produced and hosted by me, Jenee Halstead. It's edited, mixed and mastered by me too. And that theme song you hear? It's called Heart Light. And yep, you guessed it, it's from my record and mastered by me too. And that theme song you hear? It's called Heart Light. And yep, you guessed it, it's from my record Disposable Love. Got questions about a certain healing modality or about heart-centered healing, or maybe you just need some advice on life, love or creativity? Send it my way, email me at letters at heartlightpodcastdotcom. Until next time, I'm Jenee Halstead, and thanks for listening to Heart Light Sessions.