Speaker 1: 0:25

Welcome to the Heartlight Sessions, a podcast about light working your way through dark times. I'm Janae Halstead. I'm a singer-songwriter, holistic vocal coach, intuitive guide and plant medicine facilitator. I'm also a survivor of childhood abuse, autoimmune issues and my 30s. I'm also a survivor of childhood abuse, autoimmune issues and my 30s. I'm on a lifelong healing journey and along the way, I want to share the ideas and teachings that rock my world.

Speaker 1: 0:52

Every week on Heartlight Sessions, I call in artists, healers and thinkers to explore what's helped them live and thrive from a heart-centered place, because the heart, it's where the best things happen. If you've ever wondered how to unlock your biggest breakthroughs or how to come back from that stuff that tried to kill you, you know the stuff I'm talking about, the stuff that's supposed to make you stronger. Or if you've ever wondered how to just do you straight from the heart, you're in the right place. So join me, won't you? Let's turn on that heart light. We are live. I have Tiffany Tate with me. We've already had like. I think we could have talked for an hour before we hit record.

Speaker 2: 1:48

I was like, should we just hit record now?

Speaker 1: 1:51

It was so yummy and juicy. And so I have known Tiffany for years. We've never really had a face-to-face conversation, but we we go way back in just circles, spiritual circles. So you're you. You have Iona Vision or Iona Creative Studio, which is your platform, and your branding as prayer and design as devotion is like it's just a such a beautiful platform and I wanted to dive in. So you're. You know you've done branding for some of my favorite mystics and and teacher, spiritual teachers, and so you're. You're guiding mystics and healers on building altars, not empires.

Speaker 2: 2:40

Yeah, so my you know, it's funny because when I actually went to traditional art school and did not go to graphic design school or like marketing school or anything like that, but I saw people that you know I had experienced them and their skills in person, and then you see kind of how they share themselves online and you're like you are just doing yourself a huge disservice, like we have got to. You know, like people need to know, um know about you, they need to feel you online.

Speaker 2: 3:20

And so you know I'm an artist, so I believe in the power of images and started my business really focusing on that. But you know what I really have realized recently, just you know, like on my own spiritual journey and connecting more deeply to God and creativity, you know, which is kind of the same thing. And realizing that we all have this capacity is that you know so many people out there. It's not that they need necessarily graphic design help or help like building a website.

Speaker 2: 3:59

They just need to get started they need to recognize that not only do they have gifts, maybe they know them, maybe they need to be awakened or remembered, but they should be sharing them. And this is like, in fact, like if you're looking for just like you know how to live a happy, good life 101, it's like being creative and you know, if you're doing it right, then that kind of naturally just opens up into a business.

Speaker 1: 4:28

you know, because like you, literally can't do anything else.

Speaker 2: 4:31

So I just got chills. Yeah, for people that my focus in the past like three months is really just kind of like this initiatory energy for people. And that's become really important because, like, we all have the ability to, you know, connect to our intuition, to receive messages from God and to kind of build like a beautiful holy life. And creativity is just the natural next outpouring of that. And you know, like you're so full that like the only thing left to do is like tell others yes.

Speaker 2: 5:27

So yeah, I've kind of been trying to create more experiences and offerings that that appeal to someone that kind of knows that there's something greater you know and that also you can do it differently, that it doesn't mean like like this whole, like boss your bones to the into the ground for capitalism is just not like.

Speaker 1: 5:51

You know the Sophia, whatever her name, you know it's, it's, it's not want to grab and go down which I've seen you talk about a lot of this on Instagram. So I'm like which thread do I want to pull first? But can you talk about your own backstory, how you got to Iona Creative Studio, how you sort of married your deep spiritual life and your love of nature into branding, and then maybe we can like unfold that from there?

Speaker 2: 6:54

Yeah, yeah, okay. So I I went to traditional art school. I have an MFA and I joke that being an art school is like two years of deep personal therapy. It's like you alone in a room with some materials trying to tell the world how you feel.

Speaker 2: 7:17

And it's funny because you know it's kind of like taboo to talk about God in art school. It's taboo to talk about God period, interested in getting people to realize how their reality was constructed and therefore that you have the ability to make it whatever you want it to be. Um, and so you know, when I graduated, I I did some traveling and then, you know, ultimately ran out of money and like couldn't camp out of my car anymore.

Speaker 2: 8:04

So I had to get a job and, um, you know, I I got a job actually at a gallery on the upper East side of Manhattan and was working there. And, um, that's actually when I met Gudu Jagat. I had been working there for a year and they were just opening Rama, new York on the Upper. East Side and they were not looking for a graphic designer, but I like sent a cold email to.

Speaker 2: 8:32

Joanna Pitt and was like hey, um, I want to, I want to work for you. I think, I think you know we could do this. And I like, just, you know, I pitched myself and she was like, yeah, we'll come to this workshop. And so you know. And I was asked like well, you know you're an artist, do you think you could do this? Um, you know, for marketing, like, would you be okay for that or with that? And I was like you know, I think we should try it.

Speaker 1: 9:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:03

Um, which is not exactly like a phrase that would sell yourself, Like you know.

Speaker 1: 9:07

I think we should try it.

Speaker 2: 9:07

Yeah, which is not exactly like a phrase that would sell yourself. Yeah, yeah, like you know. Yeah, baby, let's try.

Speaker 1: 9:10

But that was kind of the ethos of Rama. In a lot of ways it's like try it Fuck around and find out.

Speaker 2: 9:17

You know, yeah, yeah. And so, and I realized too that everything that I was trying to do, that I felt like I couldn't do in the art world, I could do then because it was like for lack of a better term the spiritual world, like, yes, right, like I had a goal like I wanted.

Speaker 2: 9:39

I wanted to shift the energy on the planet. I wanted to bring technologies to certain people. I had to convey the value and show them what the experience is like through imagery, and I was very fortunate in that. Like I, you know, a lot of graphic designers don't necessarily deeply believe in the mission of the company, and I don't think I would have gotten into graphic design had I not. And so I worked for, you know, for Rama, for three years, and then, you know, 2020 happened and I got taken down to halftime, like most of the staff did at that time.

Speaker 2: 10:22

And I had always wanted to start my own studio. You know like the whole Rama culture was very like business, entrepreneurial you know, and. I was like, ah, I just like I had this vision. I wanted to help more people, you know, and I was meeting all of these healers and mystics through that community and it was like gosh, like they need help. You know, like not to sound like I'm full of myself, but I really felt that way.

Speaker 2: 10:50

I was like we've got to like do something for you, and so I knew that if there was ever a time to quit and start my own thing, that was the time, and so I put in my notice, you know, and it, it. It was a very pleasant like farewell and I just started with no clients Like I had.

Speaker 1: 11:12

Like you know, usually people are like working in the background of their full-time job, and then they start.

Speaker 2: 11:17

I had like no, but I knew that I could do it. Yeah and um at the time I was it. Yeah and um at the time I was. So, after I lived in New York, um, I had moved to Philly and then gotten sick of the city and by the time I quit, ramen started Iona. I was living in the Pocono mountains in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2: 11:36

Okay and um, there was, I could walk to a water, I could be at a waterfall in 45 minutes from my front door and without having to get in the car.

Speaker 2: 11:51

So I just like spent a lot of time in the woods and I felt so alive and so connected to everything and that was really kind of like those years there.

Speaker 2: 12:13

And when I first opened my studio even though you weren't really seeing this like in what I was making at the time like it really kind of laid the foundation for for what I'm doing now, because I was, I was really focused on there, just how we could cultivate our own energy field, and for me that was, that was very it was very easy to see and feel that alone in the woods, you know like interacting with things. And that's when I met Karen or when I lived out there, and so I felt like this deep, deep longing. You know, like everybody goes through this right, like you have some kind of profound spiritual or mystical experience. Yes, you know, you can't really put it into words and you know it. It shifts everything you know and it's, like I said earlier, like the only place you can go from there is trying to share that with others. Somehow, you know, and it's kind of aligning your outer expression with your inner call, which is really what branding is.

Speaker 1: 13:29

That's all that exactly you know it's.

Speaker 2: 13:31

It's a revelation of your energy field. Yeah, it's an alignment of your outer expression with your inner call. And you know, I really feel like, of course, branding manifests in the physical, like in the form of fonts and in a website and etc. But you know, it also has an etheric dimension and a spiritual dimension and I'm really interested, you know, not in making business strategists or marketing strategists, but seers you know, seership is the strategy, and when you're experiencing an alignment, you know with something holy.

Speaker 2: 14:14

everything you do from that point of alignment is is just a response to your assignment you know, and it makes all of the decisions.

Speaker 2: 14:26

If you're in true alignment. You know all of these business, marketing, branding decisions that were maybe like really overwhelming or intimidating or full of doubt, um, they all of a sudden become clear because you have a singular goal and you're locked into the goal and so everything should be. You know, we'll get filtered through, like okay, well, um, it's not about like, do I like these images? How do? How are they positioned, you know, in my, in the market, in my field? It's about like how does this make me feel when I look at it and is that feeling helping me achieve my goal or share my mission?

Speaker 2: 15:09

So that's what I really want people to know and kind of what my journey has been about. It's kind of just like crystallizing what it is that I even feel which kind of all started. You know in the woods, because I feel like so many of us are all started. You know in the woods because I feel like so many of us are just like. You know, even the word branding kind of makes me be like yeah, exactly, or like boring you know, whatever and um.

Speaker 2: 15:34

But when you start thinking about, thinking about it in these terms, that it's just an energy field and it is something that is going to help you transmit your message, your message, your mission, then all of a sudden it becomes like, it becomes clear, energizing and actually like really exciting, because you have some focus and it's pulling you and it like all of the doubt you know kind of drops away. And so, yeah, my work has kind of evolved since then in that like I want people to know that they can do it differently and it's not just about like I see a lot of things about like rest culture. You can tell how I feel about it by my laugh.

Speaker 2: 16:25

And we were talking earlier about how not giving into hustle culture. But what I don't think that is is giving into what I would call toxic rest culture. Right, and it's actually quite the opposite, because if you are stewarding a holy assignment, it is like an, an, an. It's an unextinguishable flame. Like you are being pulled and you, you have an energy that you don't know where it comes from, and so your output not only is it greater because you have more energy and focus, but it can somehow go, go further because of that focus.

Speaker 1: 17:02

You know, then, if you were trying to, um, kind of fit your mission into more conventional like marketing, let's say someone is feeling that call to usher in their, their mission and they're just dealing with you know so much information coming in and out of their field and they may have the energy for it, but they're just feeling sort of overwhelmed and confused by that's what I feel like today. It's like information overload and trying to strip down bare bones of what truly is yours and what truly feels like a passion and on fire.

Speaker 2: 17:59

I think because of even like comparison and looking at what other people are doing, I think it first requires you to remove a lot of things that are in it or obstructing it, and you know this, honestly, just looks like things like digital detoxing, food detoxing, friend detoxing yes, detoxing food detoxing, friend detoxing yes. And because I think sometimes we don't realize, how much we're carrying around with us.

Speaker 2: 18:51

You know the opinions of other people, and so I think that you know, and this has to be done in a way that's sustainable, right. You can't just like go on a retreat, feel great and then come home and be like back to your yeah your same old thing. So I think you kind of have to like put yourself, you have to put holy things in your orbit.

Speaker 2: 19:15

And so for me what that looked like is being in nature. You know, cause that was for me like the most direct, beautiful manifestation of God's creativity. You know it soothes my nervous system. It helped me um, clear you know, anxiety or just thoughts that didn't belong with me, and you know it just like kind of brought me back to my I'll say zero point, yeah, and you have to kind of like remove a lot of stuff, yeah, before you can, because I mean it's very easy to like talk to God. You know like we pray, we meditate, you know we do whatever, but the listening and the receiving, I think, is harder.

Speaker 2: 20:28

And so yeah, and so I think that, you know, when we can kind of clear away a lot of the clutter and be in a space where it's just us, you know, and like the real us, and for me that's, you know, in nature, then then we can start to receive, you know, because a lot of this is so subtle and I know you know what I'm talking about. And so, um, and people receive messages differently, right, like, you know, like I am probably like, my most predominant one is like claircognizance, like I just know, you know, which is funny because people think that, um, I'm like a visual person, so like I, I probably mostly see things and that's actually like the one that I have the least of. And so I think that when you um, when you can remove all of the outer influence and get back to yourself, then you can kind of clear that channel for listening. And you know, like, and it was always there all along, but, you know, sometimes we just can't hear it because of all of the other junk that's around.

Speaker 2: 21:45

So, you know, I think everybody has to, um, like the biggest, the biggest tool I think here is to like realize how you talk to God and how God talks back, because that is going to allow you to come into that holy alignment and come into your true creative self, right, because we're here as creative beings to like contribute something, and once you are in alignment there, then you know everything is going to become a lot more clear. So then your job is to make sure that, like you, you're listening, and so part of that is knowing how you receive messages, and so you know, and a lot of that, I think, just looks like time by yourself and like observing yourself, to start noticing, like when you feel inspired or how ideas come to you, Because I feel like a lot of people have a lot of gifts that they're not even really aware of.

Speaker 1: 23:04

For sure.

Speaker 2: 23:06

And they feel like it's second nature, which is awesome. That's not bad. But if they were to actually realize that, wow, this is an open channel here, I could cultivate this and use this to bring more in alignment with my divine mission, you know then, like we could get so much further, so much faster yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:31

I think that's the hardest part. Is you know seeing? How do you see what's exactly in front of your face? You know?

Speaker 2: 23:40

Yeah, because it's not like it's figuring it out, it's not like a rational one, two, three step, which I feel like is why I'm kind of talking in circles around the thing. But I feel like, um, it's like it's the ability to kind of, you know, take that second and third position in your life and realize how you feel when doing what around you know, around certain people, certain places, and like having the clarity and the energy to recognize that something is happening, something is shifting. You know there's, there's a message that I feel differently all of a sudden, you know whatever it is and you can't get to that place without like removing you know. I mean, we live in a world where everybody's trying to poison us Exactly, unfortunately.

Speaker 1: 24:35

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 24:36

I'm not going to go there, but it's like you know, and it's not a big deal because we have the tools, you know, to combat that. You know so like whatever, but that's the reality. And so you have to kind of like do a little decluttering so you're even like aware of these things, because everybody has these innate abilities. You know like we're made to be like in relationship with the divine, so there is an inherent relay that happens. You just have to, you know, realize what yours is.

Speaker 1: 25:07

Yeah, and then when? Yeah, so. So for me, a lot of this involves like synchronicity, which I think is a big part of, like, the relationship with the divine. To me, synchronicity always is like a pathway or a way shower of like something drops in and it's like, oh, okay, you know, this is a sign I should be following this path, because this thing, just like you know, dropped in for me and I don't know if you have like other things like that that are sort of lights along the pathway.

Speaker 2: 25:47

Yeah, um, yeah. I think that we're also here to experience deep joy, and so I love that. I use um, the presence of fear, as a barometer a lot of the times.

Speaker 2: 26:13

And then I feel like this is really important, Um, cause I don't see a lot of people talking about discernment of spirits, especially and you know, especially in like I'll call it new age circles. Um, you know, there are a lot of energies out there masquerading as energies of light, and so sometimes, you know, and especially in the age of information and also when, like, you're on a spiritual path, you know how it is it's like exhilarating.

Speaker 2: 26:46

There's this hunger like oh my gosh, you just unlocked this thing about yourself. When you feel amazing, like what else is out there to learn? You know we all kind of go through this and, um, I feel like, um, you know there are spirits out there that want to kind of, you know, veer you off your path. And you know one of the tools that I use to kind of make sure that everything that I'm engaging with in any way is like in alignment with my mission is, you know all very clearly, like, feel like fear, even if it's really subtle and if I feel that I know it's a no-go. Really A lot of people can like, yeah, you think you can like if anybody is using like fear in their marketing.

Speaker 2: 27:45

Oh, exactly Like and like maybe they're trying to like teach you something good, yeah, or maybe not even like in marketing, like maybe it's not even always that direct, but in any kind of spiritual practice. I feel like anybody who's using that. It's like an inverted thing.

Speaker 1: 28:02

It's an inverted. Well, that's yeah Like pain point marketing, you know yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:08

And also just like um. I mean, I said marketing, but but what I what's bigger and like more important is just like what they're teaching.

Speaker 2: 28:18

Yes, you know if it's like teaching you to have a certain kind of attitude, that's one of fear, that's not. You know, that's coming back to what we were talking about before the call, like is this the energy of creation or is this the energy of destruction? And sometimes the line is like it's hard to tell where the line is sometimes. But I feel like you know, if, if anyone, if I feel like fear coming into my body in any kind of way, when I'm either looking at someone's marketing, or looking at their message, or or, or just like teachings or anything, um, it's a no-go for me because that, because of what we're here to experience, deep and profound joy and you know, anything that is fear-based, um, it's an inversion of that, and so I don't engage. So that is something that, like you talked about synchronicities guiding you, I feel a lot of things like immediately in my body, since you know sensations, and I picked fear to talk about, because that one is a very obvious one that we feel in our body in different ways, but I think just a lot of people don't even realize, like when something doesn't make them feel good, yeah, and I think that that is definitely a skill worth cultivating, because that's an energy sucker, yep worth cultivating.

Speaker 2: 29:54

Because that's an energy sucker and, you know, even if it feels productive, like maybe you feel like you should keep up with the news, you know, maybe you feel like you should call that person and check in, you know, because that's like the right thing to do. Things like that that like you think are coming from like a responsible, caring place but actually are like, um, you know, it's like a, it's like rot in your body. You know it just blows through your energy. So those are kind of the things that I like watch out for. But you know, the opposite is also true. Like feeling positive things in your body, like feeling like you should go somewhere or talk to a certain person. Like my husband is so good at this, he's like, you know, I feel like I should go to the gym right now and I'm like, are you serious? We have like 40 things we need to get done.

Speaker 2: 31:03

Yeah, yeah, he's like I'm just going to go for like a quick work and I'm like, okay, and he goes and he like meets someone and makes this like insane business connection and this stuff happens to him. All the time. I feel like this is synchronicity.

Speaker 1: 31:15

You know, like that's part of it is like listening to those messages where you're like I have no idea why, but I'm taking a left instead of a right and I you know it's following that and yeah it's interesting and you have to leave room for it, right?

Speaker 2: 31:30

You have to.

Speaker 1: 31:31

Yeah, and that's the detox, that's part of like being able to discern what's going on with yourself and part of clearing out the field a little bit. It's just like following those, you know, those hits, you know, and being like because those, those, that is where the universe is speaking and it's like that can change your life. It's. I can't tell you how many times I'm like I have no idea why I'm going here, but I met someone there that, like you know, it changed the pathway of my life, or the direction of my life, or it opened something up for me, and so I was wondering if, since we're on this topic, I don't know how you met Karen, or, but you said I'm assuming you met her in the Berkshires or like no.

Speaker 2: 32:16

Well, I've never met her in person.

Speaker 1: 32:18

Um.

Speaker 2: 32:19

I through Dana. I was doing um a logo for Dana and she was kind of you know, explaining the light language to me and she's, like, you know, I think you would really like it, you should, you should, you know, go learn about the sacred geometry and I was, like you know, that feels like, you know, really aligned like with my business. You know, I'm like all rational mind about it. And so I got on her email list and when she offered the next intro class I just took it.

Speaker 1: 32:51

So and yeah, so I'll just preface. So Karen Orr is, um, my teacher, one of my teachers in this lineage, the Mayan Corandero lineage of um from Veracruz, and it's the. The Mayans were, um, you know, deep uh lineage of shamans, and so there's, most people know like Eastern Mexican lineage, which is a little more of like working with herbs and doing limpias and cleaning and working with more earth-based medicine. And then the Western Mayan curandero lineage was much more energetic based and so they brought through this um, energetic mode, I don't want to say modality, they were seers of basically the universal language of geometry and color.

Speaker 1: 33:53

And so star fuentesentes, who is the current holder of this lineage she studied with. She was kind of the first outsider and they knew that there was going to be someone that was not from Mexico that was going to take the lineage and hold it, someone that was not from Mexico that was going to take the lineage and hold it. And so Star studied in Mexico. I can't remember I should know I was supposed to like memorize the whole line of teachers. I'm just like, but anyways. So she basically studied for years with her teacher and her teacher would just write the shapes in the the ground with a stick and then like erase them and star had to, like bring them in and what?

Speaker 1: 34:43

What it is is a caught teaching, basically. So the the teacher holds the grids for the um the geometry in her field, the um the geometry in her field and or in their field, and then passes it on to the student and then in night school. What's called night school is you receive you're like in a classroom while you're sleeping and you're receiving the downloads for all of this information of light and color and geometry. It's pretty wild, like I have not done advanced light language, but Dana has.

Speaker 1: 35:22

You should. Yeah, you've done advanced, yeah, yeah, so do you have the software on your computer? Uh-huh. So this is how powerful this medicine really is. Like Dana had a computer that couldn't even run the software because it's so powerful, and I don't know if you're, I don't know how it works with your computer, but like she just it just basically like blew her computer out or she had to get another computer that just held those software for light language hell of a software for light language.

Speaker 1: 36:00

Yeah, I haven't experienced that, but there well, I know that there are two people who developed software, so I'm not sure if we have the same. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you do, because it's Carinor's. Did you get it through, carinor?

Speaker 2: 36:08

yeah, but two students, okay, made their own versions of the software okay so it's both software.

Speaker 2: 36:16

That's for the lineage, but um, so I don't know if we have the same yeah, yeah, the same one. But um, it's really amazing because you can build the grids in one part. But then the part that I really like is you can just watch a single shape spin. So you, you pick, um, yeah, so you pick. There are like 144 plus shapes, um, and you pick your shape and then you give it. There are like a an equal amount of colors to choose from, and then you kind of just watch it.

Speaker 1: 36:47

So yeah, and so the go ahead. Of the color, I, the color and the shape together create a definition. So shapes universal. And this is all based off of the five platonic solids, which is the language of the universe. It's how you know, the universe is constructed in sacred geometry. And then when you add color, which is a vibratory field, you bring those two together and it creates a definition. So, for example, let's talk about one like a pyramid. So pyramids are, they're preservers, the structure of the pyramid. So you can put like fruit under a pyramid and it will last like three times longer in your kitchen, like you can literally build a structure of a pyramid and put fruit under it and it's so wild.

Speaker 1: 37:42

And it will last for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Speaker 2: 37:45

And like the central point in the pyramid is like the, where the, the energy of preservation coming up from that stable square base meets the energy of cultivation that's coming down from the point like right in the middle, and that's actually where the king's chamber is, like in the pyramids of Egypt. It's like right at that center point center point.

Speaker 1: 38:17

I knew I wanted to talk to you about this because I feel, like you, you have like a deep there's people that have like a deeper understanding of light language, Like Dana's. Really, I loved, like during the pandemic we came together and started writing grids because we were like she had posted something about it on Rama Facebook page, because Guru Jagat was like share your gifts, and so she wrote about it and I was like, wait, you studied in this lineage. I studied in this lineage, Like how I don't know anyone that knows about this so we got together and started writing grids. Like we wrote grids for the women and started writing grids. Like we wrote grids for the women and I learned so much about the language because she is a systems person, yeah, and so she had like a very different sort of way of going about understanding the, the geometry you know. So everybody brings their own gifts to the language.

Speaker 2: 39:14

So I'm it's very cool listening to you talk about it and I'm wondering if you want to speak a little bit about your own experiences with this language and Well, I've kind of taken um, so I'm also really interested in gematria, which is study of numbers, specifically in like a Hebrew alphabet context, and so what I started doing, just as a fun experiment, is like so if you look at a shape like let's take the pyramid, just because we're talking about that, it's made up of points, it is made up of faces, right and edges, and so I was thinking about this, and you know I love thinking about the shapes as like messengers, as little packets of of energy, and so the point on, on any given shape, on any given polygon, it's, it's points are about culmination, right things coming together, and so, um, faces are about kind of like, um, face energy, like what, what? The outward presentation is okay, and then an edge is where the direction changes.

Speaker 1: 40:57

Got it.

Speaker 2: 40:57

So if you think about like culmination, or rather, let's look at it this way If you think about the face like an identity, an edge where that identity changes direction and a point where all of this culminates, and then you look at the numbers involved, so like how many faces, how many edges, how many points or vertices. Okay, so you have three numbers, right, like how many of each of these things, and then I would be looking them up in Gematria. So for those that the value of 14, as in you know their individual letter characters, you know, assigned a number, I think in Hebrew there's like 22.

Speaker 1: 42:11

I think so 22.

Speaker 2: 42:20

22? I think so 22. So you know every word has a number assigned to it because it's letters add up to create a thing, and so I was taking these three numbers from any polygon. Are you still with me? Am I making?

Speaker 1: 42:27

sense yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:28

I was taking these three numbers and looking up what each of them meant and I felt like it was revealing another dimension and also just build because, like when, when we learn about them, we we kind of, as you know, like learn a general kind of interpretation of the energy, yes, of the shape and how it moves. And some things are really good at collecting, you know, and other things are really good at you know penetrating and expanding and moving quickly, you know, stopping absorbing, et cetera.

Speaker 2: 43:21

Amazing to see the correspondences between the numbers and kind of how I had in my mind, assigned an energy to a face, an edge and a vertice, and like interpret those through the lens of the gematria. And so I just kind of started writing these poems about the shapes and so and I was sharing it for a little while on my Instagram Um, I have a couple that I didn't share on Instagram that I'll send you, but it was kind of like I don't know Cause, I would just like read it and things would open up to me, wow. And I feel like that is a result of putting myself in a space where I've gotten to know myself so deeply that I know how I receive messages and I'm clear enough to not only recognize them but trust and translate them. And this is a gift that everybody can cultivate in any area of their life.

Speaker 2: 44:23

And setting yourself up to have these moments of unstructured, intuitive play and receiving with no goal in mind is so, so important, because I feel like I couldn't tell you how many times that I have had a plan and like what I think is a really good plan and I like totally abandoned it, because something else, just sort of like just you know, floats through my mind and I just feel this irresistible pull towards it.

Speaker 2: 45:10

Wow, and it's exciting to me and I feel like, like you know you asked me earlier, like what other signs, like synchronicities, you know, can people kind of watch out for or employ, like when looking for guidance? And I think that you know, not being afraid to pivot, yeah, and following the joy and the energy, but also, in a way, you know, that's in align with your goals, right, because we don't want to get sidetracked, because we're here on a mission, but like, leaving room for all of that is so important and can open you up to something bigger and more beautiful and creative and miraculous than you had initially ever even planned for. But you have to, like, leave room for God, you know.

Speaker 1: 46:02

Yeah, yeah, this is like I feel like this is the. The title of this podcast is leave room for God, which we're right now. There's a very like purposeful uh bombardment going on and you know we had talked about that, as you know, with chemicals. But alongside, you know, ai is a part of that, you know, and just the bombardment of information, and you know, and it's like AI needs to be another tool in the toolbox, not something where we're I mean, yeah, that's a rabbit hole.

Speaker 1: 46:38

I don't necessarily want to go down, but this is the thing it's. It's pulling things back, it's pulling everything back. It's getting off social media, it's getting off your phone. It's you know, it's understanding the resonance of your own nervous system. Enough and your field, you know, if you're constantly in this low grade buzz, it's. You know, for me it's coffee, like. That is such a like, it's such a dangerous space for me because it tips over from me waking up to like me just being like completely out of my, my own field and my own sensitivity. And what is interesting is, I think, the more sensitive you are, the more intuitive you are, the more you know understanding your nerve, the deep set of what your nervous system is at like a real pure I don't want to say pure, that's the wrong word to use but like. What does your nervous system feel like when it's really enjoy, really set in that place of deep relaxation?

Speaker 2: 48:01

you know, yeah. And I I also feel like in alignment. Like you said, it's important to have boundaries. I also feel, like you know, as we're becoming more sensitive, it's also really important to ground ourselves and and also remember that, like we're here on earth, you know, we're physical beings and I, a lot of people just like to hate on earth.

Speaker 1: 48:33

I know, you know they're like I don't want to be here. It's, it's part of the programming. To be honest, like the programming is like you're not supposed to feel good and that's a deep programming. Joy is actually like there's something wrong and um and earth is a hellscape.

Speaker 2: 48:52

Yeah, because they want to take the most powerful people that have actually woken up to their sensitivities and disengage them from like actually doing anything to shift anything here. So, yeah, yeah, so I I think that, like you know, perspective and humor has become really important to me.

Speaker 2: 49:18

You know that you know it can feel like a burden to carry and I feel like it is important to not let yourself get stuck in the muck. You know, like you have to. You have to keep moving, you have to leave room for joy. You have to, again, you know, have the ability to like realize that you're not operating at your highest capacity right now because you're feeling a certain kind of way that's maybe negative or just not productive, and and you have to, you know, um reset, go ground, like have some perspective. You know be able to like shake it off and do something that feels like completely ordinary or mundane or I don't know. Am I making sense?

Speaker 2: 50:36

like you have to, um, because it can all. It can be serious and it can be heavy. You know, when you're trying to to do something big, yeah and um, I think it's important to, like, give yourself a little bit of a break, you know, because you're not the only one on your team.

Speaker 1: 50:59

Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2: 51:01

Yeah, and let yourself be held and let yourself receive. I had to learn is that I felt like I had such a such a clear vision of what I wanted to do and what I wanted things to be like that I didn't really want to accept anybody else's help because nobody could do it. Like how I could do it, yes and um, you know, if, if you're going to grow and serve more people, then like that's part of being a leader is to figure out how you can do more sometimes with less yeah and and, and. Part of that is, you know, realizing when you're just when you need to take a step back and recalibrate and, you know, just shift your energy a little bit, which sometimes feels like not productive. You know, like I need to keep going, I need to get this thing out.

Speaker 2: 52:04

I have a plan and I'm excited about it. Why should I stop, you know? But if you're starting to feel like you know like you need a teal dodecahedron, right then you need to like take a step back and, in honor, like that, rest, because that's going to allow you to serve people more. So, sometimes, like, the moments that I've actually stopped and really not wanted to are the moments when I come back and I'm like three times as efficient. You know, I have a one-year-old daughter.

Speaker 2: 52:32

My work sessions are sometimes like very limited and you know there's this like desire to get a lot of things done in a small amount of time and you know, some days just don't call for that and it's hard to not force myself to do that. But that is that scarcity mindset, that fear creeping in and like if I give into that, then even if I do sit in front of my computer for two hours, like it's not going to be very good work and I'm going to be miserable, which is going to affect the rest of my day, whereas if I waited to like the next day, you know where I was feeling a little bit more fresh.

Speaker 2: 53:06

Yeah, you'll get it done twice as fast.

Speaker 1: 53:08

And I do this all the time. Oh, it's such a good thing to talk about, Like I'll push myself and then I'm just, you know, and I've just sat and wasted three hours on the on the computer instead of you know, yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:22

And you don't like as a creative person is really important. Like what you make is actually not any good.

Speaker 1: 53:27

Yeah, exactly, I'm curious about two things how did you get into the saints and then talk about the importance of sigils, and they kind of go hand in hand a little bit yeah, um, um, saints.

Speaker 2: 53:51

Okay. So I mean it started really with the Isle of Iona and where is that? Scotland, that's what I thought western coast of Scotland and I went in 2019 for the first time and the monastery was, I mean, the island had a long, long history of spirituality. It was definitely. It had a lot of Druid activity, it had a lot of pagan Pictish activity and then that was there long before St Columba landed there. It was like, I think, sometime in the sixth century.

Speaker 2: 54:39

And I mean I've always been interested in miracles and I I don't know really how to talk about it. Um, it started with St Columba and just kind of rereading the story of his life and you know he performed a lot of miracles and you know they inspired people to live a holy life. But there's also kind of this like fierce, like spiritual war leadership around a lot of their activities and kind of like a boldness and like a committed, like deeply, deeply committed devotion that I have always been drawn to. And so I started kind of looking into saints and different stories and miracles and I kind of realized it's like I mean, I didn't grow up Catholic or anything, so maybe you know people who grew up Catholic, where you're talking about saints regularly are more familiar with these things, but they weren't stories that I had encountered in modern culture.

Speaker 2: 55:56

Um, and I can tell you why.

Speaker 2: 55:59

I think that is, but probably no, and so I just like the miracles are so beautiful, you know, deep healing, you know counseling kings and just transforming people's lives, and, um, I think that the more that we read those kinds of stories, the more that we realize that they're still happening today and that they can still happen today.

Speaker 2: 56:31

Um, and so I it's just kind of become a fun hobby to read, um, so it's called the hagiography. That just means like the life of a saint. Usually it's written by like a saint that um was alive or someone that was alive during their lifetime, during the saint's life, and so it will, you know, tell you about the miracles and um, who they served, how many monasteries they built, and I, just kind of it was also beautiful, you know, and full of love and devotion and deep, deep reverence, and that's something that, um, you know, I'm always looking for ways that we can be more reverent in our lives and they just seem like such good role models for me, and so now it's just become, you know, fun and exciting to read their stories.

Speaker 1: 57:34

Yeah, it's interesting. Growing up Catholic, I'm like huh Did you grow up.

Speaker 1: 57:38

Catholic, yeah, and I have a very different view of the church. I think, you know, it's always two sides and focusing on there are these, you know, individuals who are called into deep devotion, you know, and that's a, that's a beautiful, it's beautiful and I think it's taking the, the lives and the inspiration you know, and the medicine and the cultivation and what I found interesting, like just you talking about the women, you know, in the like in the free guide, and I was like man, you never hear about this. Yeah, you know, yeah, you don't hear about female leaders and Women levitating during prayer yeah, and you know.

Speaker 2: 58:34

Women levitating during prayer yeah, and you know, I think too. What I was really drawn to when I read their stories was that they were so clearly guided and plugged into something way bigger than themselves and they were letting that feed them. They were making room for that in their lives and look at what they did as a result. And their stories are being told centuries later and just the legacy is so profound. And I'm interested in this concept of rewilding monotheism because I feel like there's such a beautiful devotion and focus and clarity that comes from just being in alignment with your mission and I feel like, like when you're plugged into one source, it guides you differently, you have a different kind of confidence and clarity and it just really makes sense to me. But I feel like you know it's kind of a dirty word. I feel like you know it's kind of a dirty word and or it feels restrictive or it feels oppressive to most people because you know, maybe they've grown up, you know, in in a negative environment and yeah, I will.

Speaker 1: 1:00:08

For me, I like the idea of the rewilding because that brings in the feminine, almost, you know, because I'm always like where is the feminine in this? You know, and I'm not saying feminine as in, as in female, I'm talking about, you know, the other polarity.

Speaker 2: 1:00:26

You know, yeah, you do see these examples, in these women, these saints, you know, there's like a wild, fertile, dark, and I think that, like creativity for me is so much a part of that, and like the unstructured play that we've been talking about, and I feel like I don't know. It's something that I'm kind of just energy field. I think Maybe that's presumptuous to say, but at least I I haven't felt it anywhere and I feel like um.

Speaker 1: 1:01:40

I think this is where people oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 1:01:43

Well, you said um, you know, I was listening to you and Kathy Izzo, and you said something like um, you're talking about how you were told that all you need to do is sing, like just keep singing. And you called it something like the power of like, the singularity, or just the simple like you've just locked in to that and and the thing that you, it's not just like the locking in, but it's the thing that you've locked into, it's not only the thing that brings you the greatest joy, but it's a creative act which means that someone else's is going to like encounter it.

Speaker 1: 1:02:27

Yes.

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

You know, like you're making and you're giving and you're sharing, and I feel, like you know, when we're locked into the origin point of like all of this creativity, it's like it can become explosive and it's like deeper and more mysterious and beautiful than like any of us can ever fathom and, um, I just feel like I have not, um, I have not encountered like, I feel like I encountered this by myself in the woods and that it's just one thing, but I haven't um, I haven't felt it anywhere elsewhere. But I would like to figure out how to talk about it more. Okay, so the sigils Do you want to talk about the sigils?

Speaker 1: 1:03:19

Yeah, I want to talk about sigils.

Speaker 2: 1:03:22

This is such a core foundation of, it's always been a core foundation of your marketing, your branding, your yeah, and how I've come to understand it has changed a lot since, like when I first started talking about it, when I've I learned sigils in like a very traditional, like Western magic context and like a lot of that had to do with like well, should we talk about what a sigil is?

Speaker 2: 1:03:55

Yeah, let's talk about what a sigil is first and foremost because people might not know, Okay, so sigils, at least the way I practice them it's the creation of a personal symbol, usually abstract in nature, and its form is derived from letters that are pulled from an intention or a desired state of being. So, so, like you know, you would say, um, you know, maybe you're sigilling for a promotion at work or it's something. So you would, you would write out an intention, and then there's like a whole process of kind of distilling it down and then abstracting the letters and creating, you know, what ultimately is like a singular symbol, um. And then you know, the way I learned it, which I haven't really taught this dimension of it was that there is kind of a deployment of the sigil and it has to do with the rulers of the hours. The rulers of the hours, so like different spirits that rule different days, uh, different times, and kind of um, you know, getting them to help you and it is very effective, but I, I don't really want to teach it that way. I don't feel like that's mine to teach and I feel like, also, people kind of like don't necessarily know what they're dealing with and they might not want to deal with it, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:05:46

So I currently am thinking about a um, you know, cause, like I'm an image maker, I like images, they hold meaning, they focus me. The creation of the image in and of itself, or the sigil as we're talking about here, you know, takes the maker on, you know, a whole revelatory journey in and of itself, you know. I mean, I'm sure you know that sometimes even just figuring out what you want is its own thing. And so it's funny, because I had this whole sigil workshop written, I had the slides made, and I realized that like something about the practice like didn't feel in alignment with with me anymore. And it was. It was that element of it was the timing element, like the rulers of of the days and the hours, the days and the hours, and also we could talk about astrology here too.

Speaker 2: 1:06:57

And, um, I felt like I'll just say it, I feel like astrology, has always slowed me down and I feel like a lot of people are like um, I, I work, I work with people who sometimes they want to launch on a specific astrological day, and I understand that and I feel like in a lot of instances it's great and aligned, but I also see a lot of instances where it's an excuse to put something off and I feel like these things are tools until they're not you know, and I feel like that's really important.

Speaker 2: 1:07:41

And so what I want to develop like further in the sigil practice, which really what I I feel like I have my own unique contribution to this field in that like I want to talk about more how to let the symbols reveal themselves to you, and so it's less of a personal will and more of a creative collaboration with the divine, like what we've been talking about. So I want to talk about that and I want to talk about, like singular point of focus, you know, mission oriented things, rather than feeling like you need to make contracts with certain spirits to carry things out for you, um, which is like traditionally, like most hardcore sigil casters, like talk about it in this kind of field, and so that's kind of.

Speaker 1: 1:08:35

Can you give an example of what a spirit?

Speaker 2: 1:08:38

I don't know if you can speak to that or like yeah, so, um, in like old Western magic grimoires, um, like there are different ones. Um, like there are different ones, um, picatrix, hygromantia, these are books of magic that have been written and found and are still in use today, and so a lot of them will have what is called a table of hours in them, and so what that is is and they of you know, you see them change a little bit depending on, like, the region and the time and the culture that they were written in but it's an angel or a demon that rules the day, rules the hour, and so what the grimoire, or whoever usually the grimoire is like we call it a grimoire now, but it's like someone's journal, like a magician's journal that has been found, and so, yeah, and so sometimes it's a deeply personal, like table of spirits that have been revealed to them as helpers of certain kinds. Sometimes it's connected to, like in Kabbalah, they talk about the Shem Ham Farash. I'm not going to say it right, shem Ham Farash it's like 72 angels and like each one is a different facet of God, and so there's also like some debate as to because some of the angels fell and some people call those, you know, bad influences, and other people say, oh well, they're the ones that, like, actually revealed all of this information to us and they're helpful.

Speaker 2: 1:10:31

And so, you see, people talk about them in different kinds of ways, um, and so they've been assigned different days, different times. And so, like, let's say, you know, if you were sigilling for a job or something, you you probably want to go on a on a Thursday because Thursday is a Jupiter day, right? And so then you would use, then you would try to look up what time of the day, and you would look up, um, you know what spirit ruled what hour, what their attributes were, and so, when the sigils are all done and you take them into ceremony and cast them for lack of a better term you are invoking these spirits to help you, and so that always involves a contract Interesting, and what is casting?

Speaker 1: 1:11:36

Is it what used to be like metal metalworking, or you know what is that? Or is that just ceremony?

Speaker 2: 1:11:44

It's just ceremony, but I like that. You said that, because casting in metallurgy is bringing something into form. Yeah, and that's what we're doing in ceremony we're, we're, we're precipitating something down, you know, we're calling it into form, and so I yeah, um, I want to do it differently. Now do it differently now. So the contracts, the contracts that bind, yeah, yeah and um, and people just don't know what they're dealing with. Yeah, they don't know what they're getting to. They like, they like, buy one of these things off of Amazon and they just like repeat the words and you have no idea.

Speaker 2: 1:12:28

You know what I mean, and so um you don't understand what you're tying yourself to. Yeah, and like contracts can be broken. It's not a big deal, but you know there's a better way to do things. You know um a way that involves more joy.

Speaker 2: 1:12:43

You know, and and and more creativity and, and, you know, unconditional love and help. You know, like you were talking about and that's what I really feel called to talk about is that dimension that's available to us, you know, because, yeah, you can get a lot of things done by making contracts very effective, you know, but it has, it does not hold a candle to unconditional love.

Speaker 1: 1:13:10

So this is why I love light language and light language grid so much, and writing someone a grid that maybe wants a job and giving them 144, you know, shape grid or something, because it's neutral. There's a neutrality to it I mean, really there isn't because what these shapes do is they go into the personal field and they kind of push out anything that's like with light, you know they're pushing out the things that kind of like are holding someone back, or but they're.

Speaker 1: 1:13:44

You're not, it's clean. You're not like tying yourself to any sort of like elemental or being on the planet that you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:13:57

And I feel like there are so many practices that like we're drawn to them because like they just seem like old and rich and mysterious and beautiful for some way, but sometimes we really don't know what we're dealing with. And, yeah, I think people should be careful.

Speaker 1: 1:14:22

I agree. This is where I have like a real issue with like people getting into witchcraft and those kind of things that don't come from a lineage or don't know what their lineage is, because they just they don't unless you've studied and you've you know come from a coven or a long line it's like you don't know, like we, there's so much going on on the planet that we can't see, and um, and like things that we do that we feel are harmless and have no consequences, and um, you just kind of open yourself up to like these forces yeah, you know it's like spiritual warfare.

Speaker 2: 1:15:28

It truly is, and um one of my teachers, oh go ahead.

Speaker 1: 1:15:32

No, you go oh, one of my initial teachers was a seer like could see the dimensional beings that were happening, you know, taking place and coming in and out of rooms. And she was like Janae, you don't want this gift. You know, this is not a gift that you want, because the things that you see that keep you up at night.

Speaker 2: 1:15:57

Yeah, but I mean it's important to acknowledge that, like there are also many things that are here to help us too, I think you know. So it's like I don't want to get all like freaky, but, um, because, like, the things that are like fighting for good far outweigh you know what's bad and and you know the power of unconditional love can just blast any of those things out. So it's like it's. It's like it's like a big deal, but it's not a big deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah For sure. But I just think people should, you know, like every decision that we make should, should be a conscious engagement with this unconditional love you know, and you know, if we can, you know cause I?

Speaker 2: 1:16:44

I find that, like most people seem to be looking for some kind of power. You know, maybe they wouldn't call it power you. You know, maybe power to them is like not feeling anxious. You know, maybe power to them is is not being stuck in a job that they feel like is is draining them, you know, um or the power of feeling special.

Speaker 2: 1:17:07

Yeah and um, and you can find that in like everything that we've been talking about, in just like learning how to listen, and it's just like a greater and deeper and more joyful. It's just like a deep peace. It's just like a deep peace and like, when you have deep peace, you're not looking for power because you, you, you're not, you don't have things that you feel like need fixing and you don't have anything to prove.

Speaker 1: 1:17:43

Yeah, it's so interesting. The more that I heal and move into the space that you're talking about, the more I'm like part.

Speaker 1: 1:17:53

I, you know, wanted to be on stage, was to like, fill this hole that I thought was, but it was just feeding this thing, you know, and deep ego wound you know, and once I was able to go, pull myself out of this and start to unwind and heal and get to know the world which is why I started this podcast versus like that need to be, like constantly feeding that thing, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:18:48

Feels good, doesn't it?

Speaker 1: 1:18:51

I love this conversation because I feel like I'm healing, just speaking to you. There's you hold this powerful medicine and I feel it in my field, like since the minute we got on I get I'm getting this like almost like nutrients or nutrition in my field, and that is seeing people and also, whatever that medicine is that you're holding, it's giving other people permission to explore their own medicine and slow down, and I think there's just so many gifts that you hold and that you're going to be giving the world even more than than what you're doing now. And I think you're really touching into it, like seeing your you know your videos on Instagram. In the last like couple months, I've just been like, oh, I can't wait until she puts out the next one because it's medicine just been like, oh, I can't wait until she puts out the next one because it's medicine, you know.

Speaker 1: 1:19:56

So I'm always looking for whatever you're putting out and and this is like it's huge, like I'm touching into. You know, I'm just like all these ideas of like what I'm learning from you. I'm like, oh my gosh, you could teach that, or you could meaning you. I'm like there's just no end to the gifts that you could give the world, you know. So I think it's like this beautiful, you know, you get to, of course, choose, but I think there's a really deep well of teaching that is going to help a lot of people.

Speaker 2: 1:20:33

Thanks to me. Yeah, yeah, I have a lot to do.

Speaker 1: 1:20:42

We need many lives. I know, you know, and you're momming at the same time, and that's a whole other thing, but I just keep feeling like that your daughter is so lucky, so lucky. She's like like I mean, I know everybody, I believe it about their kid.

Speaker 2: 1:21:01

but it's like, yeah, and she's almost, she's almost two and she's like, you know, talking like we can talk now and um's just fun, it's fun.

Speaker 1: 1:21:17

I'm like, yeah, I can imagine that that relationship is just pure magic. You have that childlike nature in you, so yeah, she definitely helps me with that. I love that. I am so grateful that you took the time.

Speaker 2: 1:21:38

Thank you so much for inviting me.

Speaker 1: 1:21:40

I'm so so happy that you took the time. I feel like we just scratched the surface. I know, I know I always tell people I'm like you should come back on and you know, but I definitely feel like we've got another, another podcast in us and yeah, yeah. So thank you so much, Thank you. Any final thoughts?

Speaker 2: 1:22:08

Um, yeah, I guess I, you know I, I just I really want people to realize how special they are and I know that sounds kind of cheesy, you know, like, but you really are. So, like, give yourself some some space and and some play time to connect to your gifts, you know, and figure out like how you can best be of service. Because once you figure that out, like that's your one way to have like the best life, the happiest life, with the most joy.

Speaker 1: 1:22:58

I love that. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2: 1:23:00

Thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:23:05

The Heartlight Sessions podcast is executive produced and hosted by me, janae Halstead. It's edited, mixed and mastered by me too, and that theme song you hear it's called Heartlight. And yep, you guessed it, it's from my record. Disposable Love. Got questions about a certain healing modality or about heart-centered healing, or maybe you just need some advice on life, love or creativity. Send it my way, email me at letters at heartlightpodcastcom. Until next time, I'm Janae Halstead, and thanks for listening to heartlight sessions.